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is it just me or is the pressure to use foss and consume copyleft media just another attempt at activism-through-consumerism?

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@mhmd I suspect you're right. Like, I use Linux but the idea that doing so would change the world for the better is laughable--as I pointed out before, Linux IS a huge part of the machinery of surveillance capitalism!

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@mhmd More like dropping out and joining a commune, I think.

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@ghost_bird that's interesting. so escapism?

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@mhmd Somewhere between avoidance and building the new systems we’ll need after capitalism, maybe? Not sufficient in and of itself, but still useful.

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@mhmd (The people who argue that FOSS has become a way for companies to benefit from free labour have a point too... but I think there’s value in just existing as an alternative, up to a point.)

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@mhmd yeah. more broadly, it's a form of direct action.

do you think spending money is ineffective or something?

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@sofia I never said it's ineffective but I see it as effective as other modes of "ethical consumption" that builds on the idea of "voting with your wallet."

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@mhmd yeah. and if is effective than it seems like a good idea to do it, no?

except if you have a better approach that is incompatible with that somehow…

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@mhmd

For me, it's an attempt to connect with something other than a brand.

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@RussSharek trying to dig more at what this actually achieves instead of how it makes the consumer feel. it's also interesting that you decided that "copyright = brand" and "no copyright = no brand" when that is not the case

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@mhmd I'm really glad that open source software exists since it meant that 12 year old me was able to get programming tools for free instead of being expected to pay $1000 for an IDE, and without that I would have probably never learned to program.

On the other hand, I think a lot of people spend too much effort trying to guilt people for not using open source, while ignoring those people's complaints when they explain how existing open source projects don't fit their needs.

So I agree that the activism-through-consumerism is the wrong route. We need to focus more on building software that fits people's needs, or even better, create tools that will let them produce their own software to meet their needs.

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@montagsoup @mhmd Agreed, but we have a HUGE usability problem. And I don't see how it could ever be fixed without money. Doing the shit-work required to make products usable at all-- let alone to delight users-- requires paying developers to do it. It is *not* fun work. It's brain-numbing, obnoxious, annoying, horrible shitwork to most developers. It's the kind of stuff that makes you never want to program again.

Until there is something like Universal Basic Income, and people don't have to work for a living, I can't see how this problem gets solved. There's no way after a full day of working on this kind of mind-numbing crap that you'll get me or most other people to spend my spare time doing more of it.

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@montagsoup @mhmd I never guilt anyone for using closed source software. I guilt them for writing closed source software.

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